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Friday, February 11, 2005
Should a parent be able to eavesdrop on a child's telephone conversation, or is that an invasion of a child's privacy?
Apparently the answer to that depends upon what state the eavesdropping takes place. Recently Washington State decided that parents do not have the right to eavesdrop on their children's telephone calls because it violates the child's right to privacy.
I think the state of Washington has lost its collective mind.
I have two children. The older one was born to test the patience of Job, Mother Teresa, and any Saint that comes to mind. I had this feeling that if given the opportunity she'd lie about her own name if it would benefit her in some way. Sure enough, I found out at one point that she had, in fact, lied about her own name. And mine. And her father's. Well, that kind of depends upon which father she was talking about at the time. She invented several of them. I wasn't old enough to have done everything she attributed to me by the time she was in high school. She hasn't changed much since. You get the picture.
The younger one is completely different. I mean the exact opposite. To the extent that if she told me it was raining frogs, I'd fully expect to hear croaking. This is probably going to sound like a gratuitous statement, but my older daughter takes after her father - the real, one and only one. He's a dick. Nuf said.
When the older daughter was growing up and still living under the homestead roof, I didn't start off my career as a mother by thinking it was my job to snoop into her room or her belongings or listen in on her phone calls. I believed for a long time that kids deserve a certain amount of privacy. Now, I'm not going to air the family dirty laundry here, but there was a point at which I got blindsided with information that proved to me that I had no clue what my older daughter was all about and what she was up to.
So I began checking on her. And it's a damn good thing I did, because I was responsible for her until she was 18 years old, which means legally I was accountable for what she did. My ignorance was not an acceptable excuse if she got into trouble and I was sued or whatever. As far as the family was concerned, I saw her as violating my trust. Once that was gone, I couldn't believe much of anything she said. Legally, I was not about to be held responsible for her behavior if I could help it. The only way I could help it was to make myself aware of what she was doing no matter what she said that was. She lied. That changes the whole dynamic.
Now I'm hearing some advocate for children's rights telling me that parents have no business checking on their children. We pay the bills for the electricity and the phone service our children use. But we should have nothing to say about how they use or abuse what we provide? We may be liable if our children break the law before they are 18 years old, but we have no right at all to know what they're doing?
That's flat out nuts. But if states want to enact laws like that which make it virtually impossible for a parent to take parental responsibility seriously, then I think parents should be able to divorce those problem children rather than be driven crazy by willful, disruptive, and yes, dangerous behavior. I want to be able to go to sleep at night knowing one member of the household will not burn the house down, because I have done whatever I could to make sure that doesn't happen. It's not something I'm willing to leave to chance. And if my eavesdropping on a telephone call allows me to prevent a bunch of teenagers from getting drunk and doing God only knows what to themselves or someone else, then I'm going to eavesdrop. If the law doesn't like it, then the law can decide what to do with the brats who thought that was a good idea in the first place. And they can leave me out of it completely.
If it takes place in my house and I'm going to be liable for it, then I deserve the right to know what's going on. I'm willing to keep up my end of that deal. Why in the hell would states want to fuck with that?
Posted at 11:11 pm by Sheezah Lady
 |  |  | Oyster March 1, 2005 08:28 AM PST
I'm a little late here. But, this all boils down to the one thing the liberal side of the political spectrum is up to day in and day out. They don't want us to discipline our kids because it PROVES they don't belong to the government.
I'm telling you, al Qaeda, the subversive French and every other threat out there all pale in comparison to the enemy right here in our own country.
I was once held responsible for the actions of my son and the courts were wrong, totally wrong, in their handling of the situation. I'll tell you about it some time. |  |
  |  |  | Beth February 19, 2005 09:48 PM PST
Damn straight, Sheezah! To hell with that lunatic law--like there aren't enough problems due to parents not taking responsibility for their kids! If I see that law here when my daughter's older, they'll have to lock me up before I give phone privacy if I think it's needed (and in most cases for teenagers, it IS needed). I also see nothing wrong with "snooping" through a kid's things, either--but I'll bet that would have the nanny state up in arms too. Sometimes you HAVE TO do what you have to do to protect the kids--and protect yourself. |  |
  |  |  | Andrea February 18, 2005 10:13 AM PST
Warcrygirl - that is exactly what we did! We have two phnes (one in our bedroom) and the other one downstairs has now got a cord (the cordless ones were always getting lost and batteries dying etc.,) Now the kids HAVE to talk in the kitchen! They hate it! |  |
  |  |  | Andrea February 14, 2005 06:53 AM PST
I have 3 teenagers! I couldn't agree with you more. I don't listen to many conversations, but I would say that having listened to the ones I have, I have stopped alot of things that would have gotten my kids in trouble.... Like you say, the government says it is wrong to listen in, but it would be your fault if the kids did anything wrong. oooh, that makes me so mad..... I' am totally linking you.... |  |
  |  |  | Rachel February 14, 2005 06:13 AM PST
I know when I heard this I thought I was hearing things. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I go through my son's room and trash make him leave his door open at all times and basically make sure he doesn't even understand the concept of the word privacy. Oh well, he'll get over it. |  |
  |  |  | Jennifer February 13, 2005 10:44 PM PST
I'm in shock. I agree we as parents are responsible so we should be able to find out any information about our children in any way possible. I guess the state of Washington frowns on diary reading and keylogging of children's computers too? I'm not looking forward to the teenage years as it is.
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  |  |  | andrena February 13, 2005 09:19 PM PST
hmmmm..I have a 12 yr old son and I listen to his telephone conversations..not pick up the other end and actually listen, but I do listen to the content of his conversations...
rough being in south philly and trying to keep your child safe...kids are too grown nowadays..
I wish my parents had kept tabs on me..of course I probably would've screamed bloody murder "you're invading my privacy"..
but boy oh boy I sure needed it! |  |
  |  |  | George February 13, 2005 02:12 PM PST
Screw the government, I will do what I need to do to make my kids' lives as miserable as they make mine ... oh yeah and to make sure that I know what they are up to ! |  |
  |  |  | punditz February 13, 2005 10:08 AM PST
anopenshutter: You're right - without any more information than what I've said in this post, what I've said about my daughter could easily be construed as hurtful. However, there is far more to what I'm referring than what I've said here, and in addition, I haven't said anything with which my daughter herself would not agree. What you're talking about and what I'm talking about are two different things. But I'm sorry that what I've said stirred up painful memories for you. Thank you for your comment - I do appreciate the feedback. |  |
  |  |  | GnomeGrrl February 12, 2005 07:01 PM PST
I agree that kids should have some privacy, but some kids deserve it more than others. It's a parent's responsibility to know what their children are up to, and if your child is secretive and deceitful, then you have no choice other than to find out the information using alternate methods.
I have a 13 yr old son much the same as your daughter was. It's not easy and sometimes, you have to resort to a little sneakyness yourself to get to the bottom of the stories.
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  |  |  | anopenshutter February 12, 2005 04:06 PM PST
it makes me kind of sad to read what you wrote about your daughter. My father always accused me of lying when I was a teenager. I would have to lie sometimes when telling the truth didn't work because he never believed me. We haven't spoken in 12 years and I doubt we ever will again. I hope your daughter doesn't read your blog, it would probably be very hurtful to see how you choose to describe her.
Not trying to be rude, just know how it feels to be on the other side too.
best wishes |  |
  |  |  | Maddie Dog February 12, 2005 11:43 AM PST
It is legal for a company to monitor their phones and computers - even without the knowledge of the employees. Perhaps the answer would be for every parent to set up their family residence as a business - then it would be legal.
In my humble opinion it is another example of liberal ACLU-type anti-family ignorance at work. |  |
  |  |  | warcrygirl February 12, 2005 05:17 AM PST
I don't care what the law says, as long as my children are living in MY home eating MY food and using MY utilities they will live by MY rules. Of course, removing all phones from the house except for one main, central phone would eliminate the need for eavesdropping. Just make sure the phone has a cord so they can't walk away with it. |  |
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